From the war in Iraq to the war on drugs, from Social Security to immigration, we tackled more than a dozen issues. Democratic Sen. Maria Cantwell criticized Republican Mike McGavick for laying off workers at Safeco while accepting a cash bonus. McGavick criticized Cantwell for not paying attention to the key issues facing the country. And Libertarian Bruce Guthrie suggested legalizing marijuana and seeing what happens. While we were taping in the studio, we had no idea that outside KING-TV, Green party candidate Aaron Dixon, who did not meet the criteria for participating in the debate, tried to force his way into the building and was taken away by police. The hour-long debate was sponsored by KING/5, The Seattle Times, Northwest News Network, KREM-2 and The City Club, airing Tuesday at 9:00 p.m. on KING-TV. So who do you think came away the winner?
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Comments
What the f*ck is Cvntwell smurking about? She looks like she'd rather be somewhere else.
Posted by: anonymous coward | October 17, 2006 9:23 PM
I was torn between Cantwell and McCormick and so I watched the debate. McCormick used his hands so much, I was focused on those and lost track of his answers. He also was staring at his aponiates while they answered the questions. The others were not staring but writing things apponiates had said. Bruce Guthrie was lost in most of his answers. Cantwell came away with my vote because McCormick seemed to be putting on a show. I have never done this before, so thanks for the opportunity. Penny
Posted by: Penny | October 17, 2006 9:29 PM
Cantwell, came across as a typical politician, smug and "tap dancing: around straight answers. I like McCormick, because he came across as a businessman, and not someone subject to political rhetoric. I think the best way to put it, is real people, not phoney.
Posted by: Mike Snellgrove | October 17, 2006 9:44 PM
Lemme see if I got this straight....You judged the victor soley based on hand motions and facial gestures?
What kind of logic is that?
Posted by: rbz | October 17, 2006 9:46 PM
Bruce Guthrie has the poise and the intellect
to both represent himself and his party well
and to aspire to the position of senator. Better, too, to have new ideas and a principled approach than just Left or just Right, changing with trends. My vote will go to Bruce Guthrie.
Posted by: M. Bottemiller | October 17, 2006 9:46 PM
Thanks Maria for your service,, and that was a nice farewell speach at the end. At least thats what it sounded like. I hope you enjoy your retirement, and my I wish Mike a speedy entry into the senate..
Posted by: bob l | October 17, 2006 9:59 PM
MCCORMICK is a little too slick for me . Marie seemed like a real
person not a b rated actor .
Posted by: GUY PERE | October 17, 2006 10:01 PM
who is McCormick????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Posted by: bob l | October 17, 2006 10:01 PM
Why didn't Cantwell address the ILLEGAL immigration issue instead of tap dancing?
Posted by: Bonnie Flynn | October 17, 2006 10:01 PM
if you dont know who is in the race,, opt out please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: bob l | October 17, 2006 10:01 PM
Maria Cantwell spoke much more knowledgeably on the issues than the other candidates. MCGAVICK (not McCormick-- you may want to get his name right if you want him to represent you) seemed more focused on complaining about what issues Cantwell voted for or against rather than really giving good answers about what he stood for. And poor Bruce Guthrie. I felt bad for him. He needs to speak more confidently on what he believes in. Many things he had to say were from the heart, but I don't think he has a strong stand on all the issues a Senator has to deal with and won't be forceful enough to fight for what our state wants/needs. By the way... why weren't there any questions about education in this debate? What is the plan with NCLB and what will the candidates do about this restrictive and underfunded law?
Posted by: Heidi | October 17, 2006 10:06 PM
Mike McGavick is a realist. Maria is a partisan politician who follows her crowd wherever they go. Don't forget, Hillary is her hero. Do you want someone like her back in Washington speaking for us? I don't think so, I prefer the realist, hard working not afraid to rock the boat type. Mike McGavick (in my opinion) is that person
Posted by: Bob Siguaw | October 17, 2006 10:09 PM
McGavick seemed better prepared and better versed
than Senator Cantwell The Liberarian was out in left field! I think that Mike McGavick would make a better Washington Senator!
Posted by: Joe Lacic | October 17, 2006 10:11 PM
gotta go with cantwell on this one...mcg just didn't make the case that he'd be anything other than STOOGE...guthrie, gotta love him and god bless him for the cojones to get in the debate...tomorrow his campaign can pay him back the big bux...but cantwell just gets that the people of Washington need a fighter...not a STOOGE like mcg.
Posted by: orange | October 17, 2006 10:19 PM
I thought the format helped get the most out of all the candidates. Bruce's plan for saving Social Security wins my vote.
Posted by: Tracy | October 17, 2006 10:19 PM
I believe Senator Cantwell and Mr. McGavick articulated their beliefs in a clear and appropriate manner. Mr. Guthrie was awful and did little more than stumble over his thoughts and repeat "Republicans and Democrats." While I do not believe there was a clear winner in the debate, I look forward to see Mr. McGavick in the U.S. Senate come November.
Posted by: Daniel Skiffington | October 17, 2006 10:20 PM
Unfortunately, Bruce Guthrie has good ideas but he is not prepared for the race he is in. He is sure on the money about legalizing marijuana, though. McGavick has a slick persona, he is working hard on his message but he never connected with me. Maria Cantwell seemed wishy washy on the issues that matter to me, especially the Iraq War. I was left wishing Dixon had made it into the debate, I would love to hear what he has to say. Thanks to King5 for providing this important resource.
Posted by: Vivian | October 17, 2006 10:22 PM
I found myself mostly agreaing with Guthrie. Mcgavick with the hand motions. uh, you know he should have just pat his head and rumbed his stomach. would have looked bout as good as what he was doing.
Posted by: michel | October 17, 2006 10:24 PM
The question was "who won the debate". I'm not concerned who won the debate. Its more important to me who will get an all expence paid vacation to Washington DC. Maria Cantwell has shown us she is no leader. If you take the time (as I have)to learn about the real Maria, you will be as un-impressed as I am. Most of her staff will tell you she is an extremely angry person. I / we need a leader, not a follower. Maria constantly follows the most liberal in her party,ie Kerry, Kennedy, Schumer and of course the most scariest of the scary, Saint Hillary. Mike McGavick has PROVEN he is a huge success at being a leader. We need a doer, not a camera hungry person like Maria. She is about BS. Do Washington State and the country a favor, send a new senator to Washington. If there were ever a time to change the leadership in Both houses this it is. Lets give Mike McGavick our support and FIRE the rest.
Posted by: Diane P | October 17, 2006 10:25 PM
In my American Government Class watching the debate was my Homework for tonight. in my opinion Cantwell won the debate for she had the best articulated responses to the majority of the questions asked. Macavric also made his point clearly but unfortunately not as well as Cantwell and his opinions did not suit me. Gunthrie I felt suffered from a little bit of stage fright. Like he had worked so hard to get up on that podium that he stumbled on a few of his responses. But if I was a registered voter I would still vote for Guthrie because even though he wasn’t as clear as the other two he still had some unique ideas i think would be nice to see presented to the senate.
Posted by: Philip Alexander-Lees | October 17, 2006 10:27 PM
To be honest, I was dissapointed that Aaron Dixon was not in the debate, after all, he RAISED more money from his party than Guthrie I think that Dixon would have given a new voice to everything. Cantwell is too partisan for my taste and I would like to think McGavick is more independent... Dixon or McGavick...
Posted by: April | October 17, 2006 10:27 PM
Cantwell clearly won. She focused on ALL the issues - not just "Islamic Extremists". McGavick toed the Bush line. He didn't mention that he became a millionaire from costing thousands their jobs. A senator has to represent All the people. At Safeco he could deny jobs and insurance coverage to anyone not "profitable". If McGavick and his supporter are so concerned ONLY about "Islamic Extremeists" he and they should ENLIST!! we have already lost brave servicemenbers OLDER that McGavick
Posted by: Sally B | October 17, 2006 10:32 PM
Marie Cantwell came across to me knowing the issues of Washington State better. I appreciate both other canidates views on how to fix the mess we are in but I did not hear substantive solutions from either Mcgavick or Guthrie. Mike Mcgavick whole campaign centers on the solutions he had brought to Safeco Insurance and fixing the problems there but he was also the CEO who was in control of the situation. If he was to be elected our next Senator he would be a Jr Senator with a single voice to try to make a change in Washington. What he negleted to say is unless he is chair of a major comitee his ideas will never get to the floor to be sponsered. Marie Canwell is our best choice to move the issues forward in the next Senete for the State of Washington.
Posted by: Jim MacPherson | October 17, 2006 10:34 PM
www.dixon4senate.com
Posted by: April | October 17, 2006 10:38 PM
I cannot wait to see Maria Cantwell re-elected and Democrats taking back both chambers of Congress in November!
Posted by: Dan | October 17, 2006 10:38 PM
Cantwell had no passion. Her scripted answers lacked any imagination and left me uninspired.
McGavick made endless ties between Iraq and Radical Islamic Terrorists and then made the first reference to 9/11. It felt like a reading from the Bush Administration’s press conferences.
Guthrie was clearly nervous, but gave very clear NEW ideas on how to solve many issues. His call for a catastrophic health care plan for everyone as a safety net was excellent.
Guthrie proposed mandatory drug/alcohol testing for the congress, which got the only laugh during the hour long debate.
Posted by: kasey | October 17, 2006 10:41 PM
I think Maria came out on top. McGaverick sounds like a mouseketeer and he annoyed me too much. I thought the other guy was kinda sad but had good ideas, he just didn't know how to vocalize his views.
Posted by: brett | October 17, 2006 10:42 PM
Maria Cantwell addressed significant issues that face people everyday and directly impact our quality of life, and she should continue to serve Washington as our Senator. Her fight to reduce our dependence on foreign oil is at the very center of the war on terror and not a peripheral issue. To her credit, she is too intelligent to support a wall as a major part of the solution to our immigration problems. The issue is complex and building a wall at great expense to taxpayers in an effort to appear tough on this issue is a prime example of wasteful spending and a bandaid approach to a difficult challenge.
Mike McGavick kept to his carefully scripted Republican talking points. I have not been fooled by his "gosh, golly, gee" Gomer Pyle campaign image. He is much too slick a politician for me to accept that he just wants to fix things and help people get along in Washington D.C. With the ballooning deficit, Korea testing nuclear weapons, and Iran waiting in the wings for another opportunity to challenge the international community, is testing welfare parents for drugs really one of the most improtant suggestions he can come up with? Mike McGavick would support the current policies of the Bush administration which are hurting American families. Maria has my vote and full support.
Posted by: Barbara | October 17, 2006 10:42 PM
The country is infected with the moronic pleague. Morons with no common sense the blind leading the blind with no real answers. Go ahead vote for McGavick. You morons deserve him. I'm sure a former CEO will solve all your problems get real!
Posted by: Patrick Jensen | October 17, 2006 10:43 PM
I felt a bit sorry for Guthrie, he is not ready for serving the people of this state. He appeared to be very nervous and repeated himself way too many times. Cantwell has had her past term to learn how to give NON Answers and when she said John Kerry understood Washingtonians I just about lost my dinner. Several times she tried to use a big word to impress someone and she used the wrong word. Just relisten to the debate and you will see what I mean. McGavick spent more time knocking Cantwell than giving complete answers so I don't think anyone won this debate. People will vote for who they were going to vote for before this debate happened. We just got an opportunity to see that none of the candidates are very articulate. Not one of them really answered the question regarding how to deal with the illegal drug situation in E WA. I was really hoping McGavick would give me a reason to vote for him.....Not being articulate may not be a reason to note vote for someone, however, if you want to represent me you had better be able to formulate a plan and express it. McGavick kept telling me what he did for Safeco, what is going to do for me and my fellow Washingtonians? I can't see where any of the 3 would really make any change in the partisan bickering and greed that make up Washington D.C.
Posted by: Blu | October 17, 2006 10:44 PM
As a republican I admit that Maria won this debate. Mike mcgavick contradicts himself... he says that polititians spend time pointing fingers this and that when throughout this debate he spend his time slamming cantwell and not giving clear answers. I must say Cantwell has my vote in this election because she has proven shes a strong leader and she fights for the issues and values that we all share...
Posted by: Nhan | October 17, 2006 10:59 PM
Maria Cantwell came across as the most knowledgable regarding WA state's issues. The only question I felt she hedged was immigration - but as the feds can't figure it out I guess we shouldn't be too hard on her. McGavick was too right wing for my tastes although I did like his idea about drug testing welfare recipients. Guthrie seems like a heck of a nice guy, good ideas but stumbled and seemed unsure. Please Mr. Guthrie - we'd like to see more of you but you need a professional debate coach to help you for something like this event. Overall it had to be Maria.
Posted by: Jan | October 17, 2006 11:00 PM
i like the mature answer below me.
i believe maria cantwell is the best choice.
Posted by: scott | October 17, 2006 11:15 PM
I just wish Maria would pressure Ron Dotzauer to release all of the records he had resealed so the public can be informed PRIOR to the election if Maria paid off Ron's second wife to keep her mouth shut about their affair. And if their on-going personnal relationship is allowing contracts to be guided to his consulting firm as a result. Just release the records and let the truth be known.
Posted by: Cameron | October 17, 2006 11:23 PM
I found the whole thing less a debate than a polite, staged question and answer session, where were the rebuttals, the arguments? McGavick was solid and poised, Guthrie was polite and informed, Cantwell grated on my nerves like fingernails on a chalkboard. If she really cared about representing us, she would actually vote to stop illegal immigration and end the side-step she does...she has a failing grade when it comes to it and it's high on my priority list in a candidate. I'm still on the fence, but now it's clearly between Guthrie and McGavick.
Posted by: Carol | October 17, 2006 11:29 PM
I like how Guthrie rebutted McGavick's comment that wellfare recipients should be drug/alcohol tested and that instead the congress and senate should be tested. The drug topic both Cantwell and McGavick focused entirely on meth (the current fear in many of our communities) ignoring marijuana and other drugs.
I also like how Guthrie mentioned the other 2 runners for senate, Dixon and Adair, when the question about millionares getting into the debates (question period) came up. That they should be there too.
Guthrie appeared to stumble in his final statement but I still felt he put across his point well through out the question period. The Libertarian platform is fairly simple after all.
Between Cantwell and McGavick pretty much the same but Cantwell had the edge in mentioning Washington State and then pick either Cantwell or McGavick depending on how you feel about Bush.
Would have really liked to see Dixon in the debate. Guthrie would have had an ally in many points with some debate on how to handle social security and health care (to name a couple off the top of my head).
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2006 11:29 PM
I feel like Maria is the only one who actually answered many of the questions. Guthrie tried - but he is obviously ill prepared to deal with Politics on this level. I think Maria has done a stellar job of representing what Washington wants. McGavick says he wants to change the government. What the government needs is more senators like Maria Cantewll who are willing to stand strong and firm, even though it may make her a target. McGavick keeps talking about being non-partisan, but I have to wonder why he's choosing then to try to remove one of the good ones instead of trying to make change where it really needs to happen.
Posted by: Jenn | October 17, 2006 11:37 PM
Who won the debate is not important. Who will do the best to represent this state is. Maria Cantwell has shown she is a follower of the far left. Her constant photo ops with the likes of Hillary, Schumer, Kerry, etc. tells me she belongs in what is now known as the limousine elite crowd. I don't want a senator who follows a partisan crowd, I want someone who will think independently and do and vote for what is right for the people of this country. I am one of the rare few that supports the wars. I know for certain if we don't install a stable democratic government in an otherwise radical Islamic area my grandchildren will be faced with much larger problems. Of course part of the reason for being there is oil. Do you want the US held hostage over oil? At least we want a democratically controlled government managing those resources, not some off the wall radical totalitarian regime like a Hugo Chavez or Sadam Hussein. Yes, we are the one and only super power left in the world. Why? Because we are right, the radical socialists, communists, Islamists are wrong. Too many people think in small circles. These types will cause us to be like many other failed countries. Protectionist run countries fail, ALWAYS! Remember the former Soviet Union? If we bury our heads in the sand and hope if left alone our enemies won't bother us, it will most certainly blow up in our face. Strength and democracy is the only way.
Mike McGavick is the clear choice here.
Posted by: Bobbi K | October 17, 2006 11:53 PM
I'm no fan of Senator Cantwell -- BUT -- anyone who sees what's really happening in DC as a result of the run amok republicans HAS TO VOTE CANTWELL.
McGavick may be embarassed to say he is a republican and downplay it....but I am sure he would be the "middle of the road / new ideas guy" till about 10 min after the election, then would just be another bush automaton.
Overall I would strongly consider voting for Guthrie as I do believe in a lot of the Libertarian principles....but a vote for him is, unfortunately, just another defacto vote to elect a republican.
A VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT CANTWELL IS A VOTE TO CONTINUE TO EMPOWER BUSH AND HIS CRONIES.
Senator Cantwell may not be ideal as she proved again tonight, but I don't see her as blatantly lying to us, or forcing the USA to swirl further into the cesspool of the Bush administration. When push comes to shove, this time my vote has to be AGAINST BUSH, and that means FOR CANTWELL.
Posted by: Reluctant Democrat | October 17, 2006 11:55 PM
I really love the idea of screening welfare recipients for drugs. I work in a business where I see many people on welfare that test positive for illegal drugs. It is nice to know that I work my butt off to pay for welfare and yet they have money to waste on drugs! This gives McGavick my vote.
Posted by: rachel | October 17, 2006 11:57 PM
While McGavick has released many campaign ads pushing his new ideas for Senate, in the debate, all he was really able to do was to tow the Republican Party lines.
Here is a real question: Mike McGavick stated in his closing remarks that he helped turn SAFECO from losses to "record profits." Any insurance company that boasts record profits, obviously is not passing the saving to their clients, and they are obviously not paying their clients what they are owed. Some man of the people. Seems like McGavick would be best suited for a job at State Farm Insurance in the Gulf Coast, not as a Washington State Senator.
Posted by: Michael | October 18, 2006 12:20 AM
I think McGavick would fall in lock step with the GOP establishment if he is elected. He did not convince me he would represent the majority in our state. Senator Cantwell exposed him when she reminded him and us that our State supports Roe v. Wade and voted in support of a women's right to choose. His ideas to restrict that freedom and his comments about staying the course in Iraq convinced me he is not for us. Go Maria!
Posted by: Gary | October 18, 2006 12:27 AM
You have to be a King County, standard-issue, liberal to embrace Sen. Canwell. She is truly one of the least effective Senators in the country. We need Mike - he's fresh, not political, and a genuine person.
King County: put down the blue koolaid, it's not funny anymore.
Posted by: todd | October 18, 2006 1:12 AM
I was impressed with Sen. Cantwell, her knowledge and her dedication to protecting the people in our state. She has done a great job and deserves re-election. With McGavick's close ties to Sen. Stevens of Alaska and his desire to have oil tankers in Puget Sound, I think he would be a disaster for our state. Bush voided the Bill of Rights and the Geneva Convention and he scares me more than the foreign terrorists. McGavick would be just another rubber stamp for Bush. I did agree with Guthrie on some issues but Sen. Cantwell is clearly the best and has earned my vote.
Posted by: Jane | October 18, 2006 1:52 AM
Reading these responses scares the hell out of me, I went to the Stones tonight and even I know that the canididates who participated tonight were Cantwell, Guthrie and McGavick. I am sure that there are a lot of people who actually did pay attention, but I guess you don't have to be smart to vote, oh well.
Posted by: joe | October 18, 2006 3:44 AM
Shame on King 5!! You call this a debate? There are five senate candidates!! This was a blow to democracy, it didn't serve the people of Washington, all we heard from Cantwell and McGavick was the same tired retoric. Guthrie won the debate if you ask me, he was the only honest person up there. To bad Aaron Dixon (Green) was arrested for trying to debate, he would have mopped the floor with McGavick and Cantwell! I guess only millionares are allowed to run for the Senate. Now we see, DEMOCRACY=$$$$$$$$$$
Posted by: ben | October 18, 2006 5:19 AM
Well, I watched the debate, until I fell asleep. I had nightmares about this being the best Washington has to offer. I really expected more from Sen. cantwell. As far as Mr McGavick goes, we teach our children not to finger point or put others down to feel better about ourselves. Apparently to run for office you must have to miss this learning experience.
Posted by: Kathy | October 18, 2006 6:09 AM
I feel like Bruce Gutherie had a better vision for America and Washington in just about every issue ask of him.
Libertarians I believe are going to b a force to be reckoned with.
Posted by: Dave Newland | October 18, 2006 6:45 AM
Its too bad they didn't talk much about state education. By the majority of posts above, our current system has failed us.
Guthrie? Really? The toothfairy would get my vote before that clown.
It is obvious we will be sending a new Senator to DC.
Posted by: Kyle | October 18, 2006 7:47 AM
I have to go with the previous poster here.
Anyone who thinks Cantwell defeated McGavick obviously didn't watch the same debate as I did.
*ignoring that in 2000 she promised she's never take soft money from PACs...of course we all know how that turned out to be a lie.
Posted by: rbz | October 18, 2006 8:08 AM
McGavick,hands down, at least Mike Mc answered the soft questions, most of the questions were not about our state..problems.
Posted by: Dennis Kelly | October 18, 2006 8:47 AM
I agree with Gary from above.
Washington, it's time to put the
blue kool-aid down.
Posted by: Patrick | October 18, 2006 9:25 AM
Sure Guthrie wasn't as eloquent as the other two speakers, but this is because he was speaking from his heart. He is not the callous slimy politician the main two candidates have become. He has new and intelligent ideas for Washington State and America. Our country is in the worst condition it has ever been and it will continue on this path until we begin voting for people who are different who truly represent us and represent change. Finally it seems there is a candidate who represents me, being a fiscal conservative but a social liberal. A vote for Cantwell or McGavick says you approve of the Iraq war, the Patriot Act, and the out of control spending and partisanship in today's Congress. Guthrie has my vote.
Posted by: Adam | October 18, 2006 10:27 AM
I had Guthrie as a professor at WWU and he is one of the most genuine and intelligent people I have ever met. He seemed to be a little uncomfortable up there but I assure you he was an excellent lecturer and he would represent Washington well.
Posted by: Dave | October 18, 2006 10:35 AM
This election is most importantly about stopping the descent of our country into fascism with overwhelming corporate power, rigged elections, arrest with suspension of habeas corpus, and unfettered executive power. That means electing Democrats!
Posted by: Bob | October 18, 2006 11:32 AM
McGavick's non-stop references to his Safeco experience is not helping his cause. He turned the company around by LAYING OFF employees while gathering a nice hefty bonus for himself. What about the 2600 families? What did he do for them? How many of those ended up on welfare? Unemployment? Reduced fare lunches? His saving Safeco money COST the State of Washington plenty, believe me!
The biggest problem with our health care system is the INSURANCE industry posting record profits while constantly increasing the premiums and decreasing the coverage. Do you really think the prince of insurance, McGavick, is going to help the average American?
The way to save Social Security is to eliminate the cap. Right now, everybody pays Social Security for the 1st $90,000 of wages. Once you hit $90,000 - you get a free ride and no longer have to pay for social security. So 6.2% of the minimum wage worker's income goes to Social Security, while someone making $500,000 a year is paying just .01% of their wages. If the cap is eliminated, it would result in an additional $541 billion paid into Social Security in the first 5 years.
Cantwell has accomplished so much for a junior senator - battling Enron, facing down Ted Stevens & protecting our Puget Sound and ANWR, pushing for port security funding.
Cantwell gave more direct answers than McGavick, who continually did nothing but point fingers at everyone else. He kept saying we needed change, but offered no plan for change and his idea of a congressional committee to discuss Iraq is too little too late and at this point, redundant.
Cantwell won the debate and she will win the Senate race as well. She is the best choice for Washington State.
Posted by: Molly | October 18, 2006 11:47 AM
If you believe in Santa Claus, you should vote for Guthrie.
If you believe the world is flat, you should vote for McGavick.
Otherwise, vote for Maria Cantwell.
Posted by: Barry | October 18, 2006 12:02 PM
McGavick's stand on the war in Iraq suggests that he is either a fool or a fraud.
There is a significant body of evidence going back well before the war started, that Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism (Al Qaieda in particular) prior to our invasion. If Iraq is not the problem, how is winning a war there going to solve it?
There is growing skepticism, even amongst some high-level generals, that we can even win in Iraq. The war is being characterized as another Vietnam where we will win lots of battles, but lose the war.
Look at Israel. They have been using their military against terrorism for over 50 years and have yet to curb it, let alone stop it.
Our invasion of Iraq has led to a huge build up of foreign fighters in that country and a huge increase in the level of hatred, as well as the number of people speaking out against the US in the region. Is that a winning strategy?
I find it ironic that some in the US will characterize Islamic militants as "hating freedom". They don't hate freedom, they hate the effct of our failed foreign policies on their countries and their way of life. They don't hate us because we're free, they hate us because we stand by and let people like George Bush, and Mike McGavick run ruffshod over everything they hold to be of value.
We need to sweep away the war mongers in this country and bring back the values that made America great. And, like it or not, the voting records in this country clearly show the Democrats well ahead on that score.
Posted by: BB | October 18, 2006 1:02 PM
The comment above is sooo clever and intelligente that it convinced me to vote for McGavick based on the logic of Cantwell's supporters. Look, I don't agree with McGavick on many issues, however I will vote for him because I am tired of having a Senator who always toes the party line. Cantwell does not think for herself she just votes with Hillary and the other national liberals. Good thing we have her to represent my interests! Like she has anything in common with the common man, or did everyone forget her golden parachute of ten million dollars from real networks. It is time we had an independent voice instead of a mindless repition of the northeastern liberal democratic party line.
Posted by: Caleb | October 18, 2006 1:15 PM
I turn 18 the DAY after voting day! However, I agree with several of the people on this post. Liberals have been representing the people of Washington for as long as anyone can remember, and nothing good has come out of it. Hell, we're even being taxed for a project that is nonexistant! McGavick has proven to be a leader. As far as Cantwell is concerned, does anyone recall HER compensation from Real Networks? Anyone with common sense will vote MCGAVICK. (NOT McCormick...haha)
GreekNiko@Myway.com
Posted by: Niko | October 18, 2006 2:20 PM
Cantwell and McGavick continue to represent the failed policies of "socialism" the two parties have embraced over the last 60 yrs or so.
Instead of balanced budgets and responsible spending they seem to think giving more gov to the people will solve our problems. It hasn't for any other socialist country and it won't here.
Now Guthrie at least put on the table a new approach to how the people want government to govern. Not the ideas of divisions and extremes.
A sensible, fiscally responsible government, encouraging peace and stability through our might and our policies with other nations.
Encouraging and securing individual rights for all at home.
McGavick speaks of change but the real change would be if Libertarians were elected into office.
Posted by: dav | October 18, 2006 5:31 PM
Reading this blog reminds of where I live - in the most blindly liberal place in the country. It's a shame too, I actually love the Pacific Northwest and the State of Washington. Mike McGavick is not a "slick" politician, but will actually fight AGAINST the very partisan politics that Cantwell participates in. If you want to know how Cantwell will vote in Congress on an issue, just observe Hilary Clinton . . .
Posted by: Troy | October 18, 2006 7:02 PM
I don't know who won the debate because it doesn't play properly on my computer -- a windows machine running XP with the latest service pack. Yah, I have a lot of RAM, HD, and fast internet via DSL. RealMedia videos play fine, and so do downloaded videos via Windows Media Player. Is there any chance we could access a downloadable .wmv file of the debate? Streaming video via WMP or QuickTime is hit and miss with me, and usually more miss than hit. Thanks for considering my plea...
Posted by: James Anderson Merritt | October 18, 2006 8:54 PM
I cant believe all the bad raps on liberals and Maria Cantwell. Democrats/liberals work for the people, not for themselves and corporations like conservative Republicans do. People like Ann Coulter hate liberals because they will bring good change...... Go Maria and the Democrats!
Posted by: Dee | October 19, 2006 4:14 PM
Well Dee, just because you say it,, it doesnt make it so.
They all work for themselves.. its more like this if you follow what these people think and say.
Democrat: I want what I want at your expense, so I get more earned or not.
Republican: I want what I want at my own expense, just let me keep the fruits of my labors.
Posted by: bob l | October 20, 2006 12:03 AM
Yes I too believe that King county needs to get off the blue koolaid. I get drowned in it every day and we (king county)are sinking the state. Our state is not getting any better every time a Democrat is (elected?). I really think McGavick has the right stuff. Hey what do we have to lose? Cantwell has shown us that she Cant.
Posted by: King | October 20, 2006 7:59 AM
The vast majority of people in this country are centrist's. The problem is that political marketers can't differentiate the parties if they focus on the center so they focus their rhetoric on the extremes. But it's just rhetoric.
If you get caught up in the rhetoric of Liberals vs Conservatives you miss the point of the whole thing, and more than likely your vote is based on emotion rather than a solid analysis of the issues. And that is a much bigger threat to democracy than terrorism.
It's not just about who wins, but what they do while in office. Are you better off today than you were six years ago? The current administration and Republican led congress has taken us from a balanced budget to the buggest deficit in the history of the country! We have gone from making strong inroads to peace in the Middle East, and Korea, to a world that is teaming with violance and overflowing with mistrust and hatred for us. Do you really want more of that? Where is the accountability?
BTW, I'm quite amused at the people who keep rehasing the old slander that Democrats are all about tax and spent (which is just Republican rhetoric after all). Ronald Regan and both of the Bush administrations have given us net increases in the size and cost of the government. Bill Clinton actually reduced the size of the government.
Posted by: BB | October 20, 2006 9:13 AM
Truthfully, the questions asked are the same questions asked every election. Nothing ever gets done (health care for the uninsured??? fixing Social Security???)
What difference does it make WHO gets elected?
Posted by: Linda | October 20, 2006 12:26 PM
All the McGavick supporters and people who entertainingly suggest that liberals drink "blue Koolaid" keep saying that there's something terribly wrong in Washington. What's so terrible? How are you suffering so much? I'm not sure I understand and would love if one of you could explain it to me. If you could do so politely, that would be a plus...
Oh - and I'm blonde so please explain - what does Maria Cantwell have to do with the Monorail tax?
Posted by: Jenn | October 21, 2006 3:23 AM
OK this is how I look at it.
Republican, is less government, less taxes, less "goodpaying" jobs, more of the same in Iraq, less services (Veterans Administration, Medicare, real law enforcement), and more money given to Big Companies.
Democrat: More Government, More rights, more services, less to big business, a bit more in taxes, better treatment of Veterans, and better for the people of the United States (all).
Now as for the "confict of terror" (the reson that I will not use "war" is that we DO NOT have a declaration). Republicans, we have to go overseas to end this war. We have to "stay the course" to make sure that we have the freedoms of the United States. We have to keep our people paranoid that there may be another attack, and have to remove freedoms to control the people.
Demo: We need to get out of Iraq, some want a full pull out, others want a slow pullout.
OK No one in either party has addressed the fact of domestic terror. We still need to clean up our own country before going after someone else.
We have "gang" activity on the rise. We have car jackers still going after people. We have drug pushers and dealers that are still walking the street free, and here is the best one, we have rapists and child molesters that still ahve NOT been caught. I quess I look at things differently then most, but if we don't secure our country (with out losing our freedoms) then we are no better then the terrorists that are in other countries! by letting our government strip the constitution away from us!
Posted by: HAHA | October 22, 2006 9:13 AM
I don't know if one can determine a clear winner of the debate. To me it was very obvious that Mike McGavick, in my opinion, was more articulated and seemed to do his homework on the issues. I don't understand how M. Cantwell can stand up there and tell us what she plans to do when she has had six years to act, and in my opinion has had no effect. She is insisting on an investigation into the higher gas prices in the Spokane area. Why has it taken her so long to know that there is a problem. Is her head stuck in the sand.
I believe that we do need a change in our leadership for Washingtonians and I believe that Mike McGavick is by far the best choice for a better Washington. We do need someone that will not go against his principles for a particular party but will do what is right by the people that he represents. My vote will definetly be for Mike McGavick.
Mike from Grand Coulee
Posted by: Mike | October 23, 2006 3:29 PM
Maria Cant-vote-well scares the crap out of me. Slippery and shifty and mad as hell to the core. She just latches on to things and rides them. No new ideas, just a rider. With only two Senators - can we afford always to have two pushovers?
Her campaign ammo? Mike laid people off! Heaven help us if Government had to do that.
Her position on alternative fuels seems good to the average joe. But examine the numbers. Examine why our fuel prices are nearly the highest in the nation. Giver her the boot like we did with Rick White in 1994(?)
Let's properly balance our state. Vote for Mike!
Posted by: Paul | October 23, 2006 4:06 PM
As a liberal-libertarian, Guthrie, who during the debate probably did not get enough prep time as Cantwell or McGavick, had ideas that represented mine and ideas to put our country on a better path. I am confident he could represent us well as a Senator. It clear voting for the less of two evils over the last 7 years has made things worse. I believe both the democrats and republicans have an authoritarian aspect to them that has gone against the bill of rights and made us less free. I still support the democrats over republicans, which is why I still will celebrate if Cantwell wins, but my vote will most likely go to Guthrie. I predict even now or especially after Nov. 2008 that the libertarian party will grow as more and more people see both party's faults
Posted by: Informed | October 24, 2006 12:11 AM
I predict that McGavick will win because of all the democratic supporters that vote for that inarticulate, insufficient man with great ideas. If he can't present his ideas clearly, and intelligently in a debate, what on earth makes you think he'll survive for 5 minutes in D.C.?
Posted by: sigh | October 24, 2006 2:24 PM
Mcgavick says we need new leadership in the senate, all he is going to do is toe the Bush line with the rest of the Republidiots. He will be just like Rubberstamp Reichart. My vote is for Maria, she works her tail off for us in this state.
Posted by: Dave | October 24, 2006 8:54 PM
McGavick and Cantwell spent the debate attacking each other and not offering any solutions to the problems facing our state or our nation.
I don't care that Guthrie wasn't as slick as the other two. He proposed new ideas to address real problems.
I will be voting for Guthrie.
Posted by: Dubaruba | November 1, 2006 2:46 PM
It doesn't matter who the winner was. Remember, Bush was a big loser at speaking and has only grown slightly. What matters is who is going to represent the majority of Washington citizens. Republicans do not vote the way we think out here in the Pacific Northwest. McGavick is a most attractive speaker and said what we want to hear. I live in conservative Eastern Washington and received his flyer. In the flyer he lays out a list of Republican issues he says he is for. Don't be fooled. Vote for Maria.
Posted by: Jan Theriault | November 3, 2006 6:52 PM
Republicans do not vote the way we think out here in the Pacific Northwest??????????
You mean in Seattle.. now you think your the whole damn Northwest. This is the condesending crap that drives most republicans nuts. The problem is when this way of thinking arrives in Washington and casts a vote in the Senate.
The crowd I hang with will be voting for Mike!
Posted by: bob l | November 5, 2006 9:55 AM
Hey Bob, are you and your cronies that you hang with crying in your beer?
Posted by: Dave | November 10, 2006 7:20 PM
nope! we expected maria to win in this very liberal state.. the real win was dave over darcy! But all in all now that dems have power, the war will end, the economy will boom, homelessness will be non existant,, we will all have free doctors and no lines, and katy will tell us all about it on the evening news!
The real shock was the 60% of people waiting around for Gates and his rich cronnies to drop dead so we can tax it away from em.. what the heck it aint their money anyway!!!! right????
Posted by: bob | November 14, 2006 12:49 PM
(Posted by Philip Alexander-Lees)After googleing my name the first thing to come up was a comment I did not make. It was a very political comment that could hurt me in the future if an employer or someone chooses to do some research on me. To set the record straight the comment I really posted (In my American Government Class watching the debate was my Homework for tonight. in my opinion Cantwell won the debate for she had the best articulated responses to the majority of the questions asked. Macavric also made his point clearly but unfortunately not as well as Cantwell and his opinions did not suit me. Gunthrie I felt suffered from a little bit of stage fright. Like he had worked so hard to get up on that podium that he stumbled on a few of his responses. But if I was a registered voter I would still vote for Guthrie because even though he wasn’t as clear as the other two he still had some unique ideas I think would be nice to see presented to the senate.) was the one above my name and not below it. But when a person google’s my name the comment below my name appears. If King 5 could fix this that would be wonderful but if they don’t any potential employer to see this I hope they read this statement.
Posted by: Philip Alexander-Lees | May 24, 2007 11:12 PM